与 MDK CTO Fred Lepied 聊天全记录

ShiyuTang · 发表于 2005-3-26 16:53:03

<fred> Ok let's start
<esfa> it's 12.00 EST !
<fred> thx for coming
<luismago> hi, fred
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<WindBlind> hi fred
<pascal_joly> good, fred is connected !! Smile
<esfa> Will the "Limited Edition 2005" distro be splitted into several flavors, like Discovery and PowerPack ? A download Edition (3CD available on public mirrors) will be released ?
<fred> hi everybody
<jldbq> hello
<jldbq> comment vas-tu frad?
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<pascal_joly> english only please
<fred> esfa: only one favor for store, one some flavors for club and download
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<esfa> Will the Club Members get the ISO in advance ?
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han1> even for standard members
<fred> esfa: yes as usual
<Rick_Kunath> Will there be a "Community" and "Official" version of LE 2005?
<fred> Rick_Kunath: no only one version
<esfa> In sept/oct 2005, will both the x86-32 and x86-64 flavors be released for Club Members at the same date ?
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<fred> esfa: if the planning permits it yes
<fred> esfa: if the planning allows it yes
<esfa> One year is a good time frame for people who want a stable distro. But for those who want a cutting-edge distro, does Mdk plan to release some Preview releases' (a cutting-edge distro with KDE4.0beta/RC for instance in Q1 2006) for Club Members ?
<Maintech> Will it support dual-core dual processor?
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<fred> esfa: yes we plan to release something but nothing is completely decided yet
<NicolasRichard> will 64 bits become the default arch or not?
<esfa> What are the so-famous Conectiva technologies which will be included in Mandrakelinux (or do we have to say Mandriva ? Wink)
<Didier_Herisson> 2006 edition should include 'connectiva technology'... What does it means exactly? Isn't everything GPLed and avalaible since a long time?
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<fred> Maintech: LE 2005 x86_64 supports dual core opterons
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<fred> Nicolas_Lecureuil: not yet
<Maintech> Fred: will it support 2 dual core on same motherboard?
<fred> Maintech: yes
<WindBlind> Fred: What will be the name of the different favor and how many CD's will be?
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<ShiyuTang> Now MDK is acquiring Conetiva, is there any plan to merge urpmi and apt-rpm?
<odedbenyo> Fred: Is Mdk going to maintain its focus on being a desktop OS .. or is it aiming more for the server crowd?
<fred> esfa ShiyuTang: we are evaluating with Conectiva people their smart techno and some kernel stuff
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<fred> esfa ShiyuTang: we are evaluating with Conectiva people their smart techno and some kernel stuff
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<tramway1> If i have understand, for the same MandrakeClub price we have no more Two distribution in one year, but only one in one year ? ?
<fred> odedbenyo: we'll try to continue to be both Smile
<esfa> Only one release a year instead of two. Will the price of the boxes be twice more expensive ?
<WindBlind> Fred: What will be the names of the different flavors and how many CD's will be?
<fred> tramway1: we will provide contents for the club
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<fred> WindBlind: there is no different name
<NicolasRichard> is the 64 bits will become the major arch for mdk instead of the 32
<ShiyuTang> fred, you mean Club member
<odedbenyo> Fred: are you guys working on better integration between the MDKclub, MDKonline and MDK expert ?
<fred> ShiyuTang: we will see what is the best way to satisfy you
<Maintech> What kinds of new hardware support (ie webcams, raid, etc)?
<fred> WindBlind: I don't remember the exact numbers, warly do you have them handy ?
<ShiyuTang> Will you still support many languages?
<pasl_run> does the mandrake 10.2 official will be available soon ?
<fred> ShiyuTang: yes nothing is changed
<Rick_Kunath> Are you keeping urpmi?
<fred> odedbenyo: we are working to improve the club
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<warly> WindBlind: download (3 CDs), club standard (4 CDs including plugins and drivers), club silver DVD and 6 CDs.
<ShiyuTang> Will you support iPod?
<fred> Rick_Kunath: we are studying how to converge between the 2 techno (urpmi and smart)
<odedbenyo> Fred: where can we provide input and see what is coming up on the club improvements
<NicolasRichard> fred : is the 64 bits will become the major arch for mdk instead of the 32 ?
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<tramway1> What is the priority target for MandrekLinux : the entreprise user or the house user ?
<fred> Nicolas_Lecureuil: not yet
<bubar> Fred : what is the usa market penetration of connectiva, now ? near future with mandiva ? is business is really winner ?
<fred> odedbenyo: I don't what would be the best form. pascal_joly, what is the best way for feedback ?
<fred> bubar: conectiva is more south america
<NicolasRichard> so 64 bits will continue to be only manage by GB ? no contibutors?
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<Maintech> fred: is hardware support going to be same or better (webcam, raid, etc)
<pascal_joly> fred: it's comming soon
<fred> tramway1: enterprise in france and retail everywhere else
<bubar> cool
<bubar> cool
<fred> Nicolas_Lecureuil: we are going to have a 64bit system for the compilation cluster, so it will be better soon
<warly> NicolasRichard: you can already contribute to x86_64, gb is just taking care of rebuilding the main before a release.
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<pascal_joly> fred, what is your prefered golf course?
<pascal_joly> Smile
<fred> Maintech: that's one of our major goal
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<pasl_run> fred : will mandrake 10.2 official be available for members soon ?
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<ShiyuTang> Will you support iPod?
<fred> pasl_run: it's a matter of weeks now
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<pascal_joly> limited edition will be available soon for club members
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<fred> ShiyuTang: I think we already support the USB part but not the software part
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<Roland_Ruiken_470> Thanks, what means soon ? One week, one month, three month ?
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<fred> Roland_Ruiken_470: as I said a matter of weeks
<Roland_Ruiken_470> Thanks, thats fine.
<Roland_Ruiken_470> Thanks, thats fine.
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<pasl_run> what the difference between limited edition and the actual official ?
<ShiyuTang> Do you mean that I can only use my iPod with USB, but not IEEE1394?
<fred> ShiyuTang: what I mean is link layer is working but not the software to manage the database
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<pascal_joly> limited edition will be available in april
<fred> pasl_run: you mean between 10.1 and LE2005 ?
<pasl_run> yes
<bcsi> Is any work being done to smoothen the upgrade process from release to release?
<tramway1> Do you feel that linux interest really more Hardware-constructors than some years ago? (fr :Vous trouvez que les constructeurs font plus d' efforts envers linux qu'il y a quelques années ? y'a t il une prise de conscience ?)) Is there any take off in this point ? (sorry for my bad english)
<pasl_run> the le2005 will be 10.2 official ?
<pasl_run> the le2005 will be 10.2 official ?
<fred> pasl_run: the list is little too long to be pasted here
<fred> pasl_run: yes
<pasl_run> ok thanks
<Roland_Ruiken_470> Does Creative Zen micro will work ?
<NicolasRichard> whith european software patent, are you afraid for mdk and free software futur?
<pascal_joly> ENGLISH ONLY PLEASE
<fred> bcsi: we always try to put emphasis on upgrades but it's a hard test job
<bubar> near future, what benefit for our cookers ? Better exchange plateform, better advantages ? i hope it.
<ShiyuTang> I hope all the i18n packages be packed in the first 3 CDs. Will you?
<fred> tramway1: some yes and some others no Smile
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<fred> Nicolas_Lecureuil: yes it's a big threat against free software
<esfa> Only one release a year instead of two. Will the price of the boxes be twice more expensive ?
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<fred> esfa: no
<XAVIER_MOUCHERON> is what Mandrakelinux limited 2005 2005 will have updates as the others versions ? in french: est ce que mandrakelinux limited édition 2005 bénificiera des mises à jours comme les anciennes versions officielles ?
<Didier_Herisson> Will you keep a kind of community/official directories on server for users who wants cutting edge or reliable software?
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<warly> ShiyuTang: I can't include them all, especially OpenOffice-org-help and aspell. But I make my best to have the most as possible.
<ShiyuTang> I mean pack i18n packages in the first 3 CDs. Because some users find that after installation, some software's interfaces are not in their mother language and this causes some trouble.
<fred> Nicolas_Lecureuil: both Smile
<pasl_run> fred : will the limited edition 2005 is a stable release ? Will it be availiable on DVD for members ?
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<fred> pasl_run: yes
<Didier_Herisson> Will you keep a kind of community/official directories on server for users who wants cutting edge or reliable software?
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<warly> ShiyuTang: I can't include them all, especially OpenOffice-org-help and aspell. But I make my best to have the most as possible.
<ShiyuTang> I mean pack i18n packages in the first 3 CDs. Because some users find that after installation, some software's interfaces are not in their mother language and this causes some trouble.
<fred> Nicolas_Lecureuil: both Smile
<pasl_run> fred : will the limited edition 2005 is a stable release ? Will it be availiable on DVD for members ?
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<fred> pasl_run: yes
<fred> pasl_run: yes
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<pasl_run> thank you fred
<fred> Didier_Herisson: I don't understand your question
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<acme> ShiyuTang: one of the things we did in Conectiva Linux was to clearly separate all the i18n info into separate packages, one per associated main package
<acme> and smart and apt installs only the languages selected by the user
<ShiyuTang> Warly, software's interface is more important than OpenOffice's help. Pack OpenOffice's help in CD4. Or you can make a standalone i18n CD?
<acme> saving bandwith when upgrading and allowing one to install at any time a new language
<heliocastro> acme: Conectiva packagers thanks Smile
<James_Custy> I see there are new free Japanese / Chinese fonts in open source. Will these be incorporated in a future MDK release?
<acme> and when new translations/locale info is made available to some existing package it will be installed automatically in a new update cycle
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<fred> James_Custy: I think we have already some, Pablo is following this closely
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<warly> AnneW !
<boy3a> hello, the rc2 is not out yesterday, perhaps tomorrow ?
<Didier_Herisson> On official servers, there is no version changes for software. For the community, new versions of software appears sometimes. Official is more reliable, community more cutting edge, isn't it? Will it be something equivalent with 2005 LE?
<AnneW> Hi, - I crashed!
<warly> AnneW: install a debian!
<AnDy> lol
<bubar> Smile
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<AnneW> Wink
<ShiyuTang> Mandrakelinux's desktop theme is ugly comparing to SuSE and LinSpire, your competitors. Will you make a change?
<fred> boy3a: yes
<fred> boy3a: yes
<boy3a> thank, good question shiyutang
<pasl_run> fred : will you plan to release a limited edition 2005 like the actual 10. official powerpack + ?
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<fred> Didier_Herisson: yes same principle
<Didier_Herisson> Thanks, great !
<Nicolas_Lecureuil> fred will you plan to make a kind of cooker snapshot between 2 mdk releases ?
<XAVIER_MOUCHERON> How many not official versions will there be between each version for user of mandrakelinux as members or not members? For exemple between mandrakelinux 2006 and mandrakelinux 2007.
<fred> Nicolas_Lecureuil: yes that's probably what we are going to do
<warly> ShiyuTang: are you talking about Galaxy or the new penguin backgrounds ?
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<NicolasRichard> will you make more effort for kde integration? espacially fonts...
<Yannoux84> oh j'arrive trop tard
<fred> XAVIER_MOUCHERON: the planning isn't done yet so I don't want to tell you something wrong
<fundawang> Warly: If you have looked at what S
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<ShiyuTang> Warly: Yes, I mean the new cooker. Do you think that wallpaper is too much garish?
<boy3a> warly > yes the look abd design is better on suse for exemple, do you do something ?
<bubar> fundawang: colors... Me, i prefered the Galaxy clean theme
<warly> fundawang: yes I found their theme quite good, we will likely create a new one, better for 2006
<NicolasRichard> will you make more effort for kde integration? espacially fonts... like suse do
<fundawang> SUSE 9.3 is using a KDE theme named Ocean in kdelook
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<warly> ShiyuTang: I love this wallpaper! The others were so boring.
<bubar> What about the CCM ? more options from conectiva tech, near future ? some examples ?
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<fred> Nicolas_Lecureuil: we always try to do our best for KDE integration
<blino> warly: will you offer us a new boot animation for final version ?
<boy3a> warly> concretely there is a new design for the 2006 ?
<boy3a> warly> concretely there is a new design for the 2006 ?
<fundawang> How about a theme contest for every release?
<fred> bubar: CCM ?
<XAVIER_MOUCHERON> Could you have one article on mandrakeclub which summarizes this discussions ?
<fred> blino: no!
<bubar> mdk control center
<warly> blino: I don't think so Smile Or I will need to be very stealth
<ShiyuTang> Warly, I think the new wallpaper is a little garish and childish.
<fred> fundawang: yes it's a good idea
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<fred> bubar: we'll use the experience of Conectiva to improve our tools
<Skal_Loret_452> Warly, Fred: What is the status of SATA/RAID support now? I have experienced issues with this in the past. Sorry if this has already been asked.
<blino> warly: I'd love a new picture of you as boot animation, in a pink heart, like in great old times
<fred> Skal_Loret_452: it's improving
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<Nicolas_Lecureuil> blino: so many husband will be jalous and will not use mdk anymore :þ
<boy3a> blino>warly> yes a good picture not a 640x420 !!!
<blino> Skal_Loret_452: we've tried to improve it in RC2, especially in stage1 of the installer
<bubar> what about server installation ? without any desktop, now, by default ? Just with the CCM tools ? I hope the CCM will have more secondary options.
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<Skal_Loret_452> fred: I know you are trying to hit a moving target there. There are a lot of "interpretations" of the SATA/RAID standard.
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<ShiyuTang> And do you like to make a new first time guide? The old one is not vivid. LinSpire is using flash and Windows XP is using an anime.
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<fred> bubar: what do you mean by default ?
<XAVIER_MOUCHERON> Fred, pourrait-on avoir un article sur le club qui résume l'ensemble des principales idées qui ont été dites durant le chat ?
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<Nicolas_Lecureuil> blino: so many husband will be jalous and will not use mdk anymore :þ
<boy3a> blino>warly> yes a good picture not a 640x420 !!!
<blino> Skal_Loret_452: we've tried to improve it in RC2, especially in stage1 of the installer
<bubar> what about server installation ? without any desktop, now, by default ? Just with the CCM tools ? I hope the CCM will have more secondary options.
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<Skal_Loret_452> fred: I know you are trying to hit a moving target there. There are a lot of "interpretations" of the SATA/RAID standard.
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<ShiyuTang> And do you like to make a new first time guide? The old one is not vivid. LinSpire is using flash and Windows XP is using an anime.
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<fred> bubar: what do you mean by default ?
<XAVIER_MOUCHERON> Fred, pourrait-on avoir un article sur le club qui résume l'ensemble des principales idées qui ont été dites durant le chat ?
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<fred> ohan1: we have some business in this area but not too much
<ohan1> is it will be developped ?
<fred> fundawang: that's what we do with our group selection step
<fred> ohan1: yes
<ShiyuTang> But when a user use MDK for the first time, maybe animation guide is better. It will give user a good impression.
<ohan1> good Smile
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<jldbq> we are obliged to configure manually every time we install because I don't want gnome and kde
<fred> jldbq: you can use auto-install
<AnneW> Couldn't we have group selection with an option to drop some items from the group?
<NicolasRichard> will new nvidia package will package instantly for current kernel?
<Yannoux84> ShiyuTang Smile yes I have the same idea
<jldbq> I'll look at it
<bubar> yes, and server must install a Minimal packages and dependancies, and librairies... A real server install. No librairies when i have no need. Not simply the "server or desktop install"
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<bubar> must.. upss, my english, sorry
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<ShiyuTang> I hope the animation first time guide is in the next version.
<fred> AnneW: we are thinking about something like this
<fundawang> bubar: for two or three years later, drakwizard become something like microsoft management console, you'll like it more than vi :/
<Yannoux84> ShiyuTang Smile
<fred> NicolasRichard: with dkms ?
<AnneW> Perhaps at the end, more like the configuration options?
<NicolasRichard> fred : yes with dkms
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<ShiyuTang> Another thing ought be improved is MDK's sound. For example the logout sound is not fair-sounding.
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<fundawang> fred: I think there must be a robot which compiles those drivers automatically.
<fred> ShiyuTang: if you have something to propose, you are welcome Smile
<fred> ShiyuTang: if you have something to propose, you are welcome Smile
<boy3a> is there normal, with my centrino, the kernel (mdk) found a pentium pro with the .config ?
<fred> fundawang: yes that's definitively something we need to do
<NicolasRichard> you ahave package last nvidia driver for beta but before it wasn't up to date
<James_Custy> The printing system works very well but I found Turboprint is an improvement. Maybe MDK should have a look at this.
<XAVIER_MOUCHERON> Not members of mandrakeclub will be able to connect on the mandrakeForum one day, in order to meet there more users that actually ?
<ShiyuTang> I'll try to compose.
<fred> XAVIER_MOUCHERON: I think there is already open forums
<h3rb1> Any collaboration between mdk and hardware manufactures? We nedd more certified hardware and (binary) drivers, even if they are not open source.
<h3rb1> *need
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<boy3a> before there is two powerpack in a years and now if there is one distrib, what are you doing ?
<boy3a> before there is two powerpack in a years and now if there is one distrib, what are you doing ?
<fred> h3rb1: yes we working hard in this area
<ShiyuTang> Will plan to change this Java based ClubChat to others? Java is slow and ugly.
<fred> h3rb1: yes we are working hard in this area
<fred> ShiyuTang: not my choice...
<XAVIER_MOUCHERON> Fred is not really the true because not member can not to write on the forum without loggin.
<AnneW> Talking of clubchat - it would be nice to be able to log a chat.
<fred> AnneW: yes
<ShiyuTang> AnneW, I agree with you.
<fred> XAVIER_MOUCHERON: ok I was under the impression it was possible
<ohan1> hardware manufactures are not enjoy to develop certified mandrake hardware ?
<Didier_Herisson> XAIVER: But you can register/login as 'alumni' if you haven't paid anything, I think.
<fred> ohan1: yes we do certifications
<esfa> XAVIER> I think it is possible to get an Alumni account by simply registring himseff
<fred> I have to go now
<fred> I have to go now
<gb> h3rb1: for example, we can now ship with Adaptec a320raid drivers for Ultra-320 HostRAID support
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<AnneW> Thank you Fred.
<bubar> thanks
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<fred> thank you for coming
<bcsi> Thank you for your time, fred.
<h3rb1> thank you.
<jldbq> bon app
<ohan1> thx Fred, see you soon
<jdad> thanks for your time
<boy3a> thank
<ShiyuTang> Maybe advanced users can test and post hardware report.
<bubar> thanks all. Espcially ours Gurus... THANKS YOU
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似乎非常重要的内容不多，尤其是对和 Conectiva 合并以后的技术方面的整合提及并不多，只是说会尽可能整合。

个人觉得，与其把 CTO 拉出来和用户对话，不如让 Warly 来。

xemean · 发表于 2005-3-26 17:53:41

作代码来看很不方便的说。
顶出去。

懒猫 · 发表于 2005-3-26 21:26:32

似乎有点回避界面的问题，不知道他葫芦里卖的什么药

<ShiyuTang> Warly, I think the new wallpaper is a little garish and childish.
这句有点直接了，哈

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